If we go by what you say, then everyone that studies something in school should stick to that profession. A lawyer who studied criminal law should never undergo additional training and change his/her practice to civil law because he’s just too damn stupid to change.

The truth is that we don’t stop learning and taking tests once we leave school. That’s why people undergo training and get MBAs after they’ve worked for 20 years at a job. Because as humans we can change and grow. I wouldn’t go and get liposuction from a dentist. Well, I wouldn’t get liposuction anyway but you know what I mean. However, a trained doctor with the same training up to where they diverge when specializing in plastic surgery is just as qualified to undergo additional training and change the scope of their profession. Just because someone didn’t go back to school to get their “plastic surgeon” label does not make them unqualified. If you don’t like the labels placed on the insecure women who get breast implants for vanity, you should not place your own labels on the doctors just because one of them changed what they wanted to do later in life.

An incompetent plastic surgeon is not better than a competent cosmetic surgeon even if their original training was as a GP. If you have any doubts, go and see all the doctors and ask them the hard questions. Why rely on a label? That’s like saying any mechanic is the same as the next because they have a certificate as a mechanic. You have to do the research and make the right choice just as you would in any other part of life. The plastic surgeon propaganda won’t help anything. I was just reading the news and in Dubai they are opening up some sort of major cosmetic surgery hospital. In their branch, “plastic surgery” is just a division of the whole practice of cosmetic surgery.

http://www.dhcc.ae/en/Default.aspx?type=1&id=24

We shouldn’t let propaganda or our own Canadian bias blind us to the truth.

Cosmetic surgery is a for-profit activity that can be learned by qualified medical professionals under proper training and it is chiefly done for vanity or self esteem/confidence reasons. It caries risks like anything else and should not be the monopoly of one group who want to lock it down in order to better profit from it.

In contrast, plastic surgery started as a noble profession which used to repair disfigurements caused by war accidents or to replace noses for women who had their nose cut off for being accused of adultery, and criminals or soldiers who suffered the same fate as a punishment in the form of humiliation. It evolved during the two world wars where techniques were advanced and improved. Originally doctors would have great debates about whether or not plastic surgeons should even be allowed to perform “vanity” procedures. That debate of course is now moot. The ones that are doing it for money, know why they’re doing it and they used the media in this case to try and protect their hold. It really sickens me and that was the point of this original post. The media lies and helped these people do their dirty work.

If plastic surgeons really believed what they said, they’d try to have all cosmetic procedures stopped. That is what the real plastic surgeons used to advocate. The ones you see on the news now are just businessmen. Plain and simple. Profit seeking, money grubbing business men who use public relations as a weapon to advance their goals and their business while spreading disinformation and ignorance in the masses. There is really nothing more to be said about it.

and dont get me going on the medias portrayal of plastic surgery in general, it makes me sick! For example breast implants … the media portrays women who get them are insecure, and most people think of implants and think of Pamela Anderson, Anna Nicole Smith etc. But that couldnt be further from the truth. Most of the women seeking breast augmentation were either born with no breasts at all and want to feel feminine, or those who have lost their breasts during pregnancy/breast feeding and want to restore what they had before. Most women have high self esteem, but they lack confidence in that area. What annoys me is that if a woman has lost her breasts to cancer and chooses to restore them its ok. but those women who never developed or lost them in pregancy are insecure and shallow.

Anyway I wont go on, we can agree to disagree about the plastic surgeon thing, I truly believe that you should go to someone who you know has had lengthy training and written exams overs someone you are not sure about. Ive met a few plastic surgeons and I dont think they are soley in it for the money even though Im sure it may seem that way. thanks for listening!

The truth of the matter is that I’m not wrong. The real issue at stake here is nothing other than money. These doctors all want a monopoly and they spread the same type of weekend liposuction course BS that you state above. It’s nothing more than propaganda. Do you honestly believe that if this were such a dangerous and complicated procedure it would be allowed to happen unchecked? It’s kind of insulting to the whole medical profession. Not that I have much respect for them but that type of statement is a bit much. Besides, don’t they also go to weekend courses for the latest filler or to pick up a procedure they were not originally trained in? I’m sure they do. They just want to pretend that their “5 years” of training somehow makes them better.

Frankly, I think that anyone going in for an operation for the purposes of vanity is crazy and I have little sympathy for them if things go wrong. I feel very sorry for that woman’s child but the real problem is that she chose to do the operation so who can we really blame? Her doctor seemed to be very qualified. I checked, she had changed the scope of her practice to cosmetic surgery through the right channels and got the necessary training. It was not a weekend course and she seems to still be in business so there was obviously no error on her part or she’d be stripped of her licence.

Plastic surgeons are not trained for 5 years in liposuction. And to be honest, they should not be allowed to do cosmetic procedures. If they are so highly trained, they should stick to giving our citizens the quality care in the field that they were trained in. Fixing cleft lips on children, re-attaching limbs and so on. This is what their additional training is in. Why are they so hard up to protect boobs and fat removal? Why? Because they make a ton of money from it and they want a monopoly like any other consortium. They get together and they obviously orchestrate campaigns against their perceived enemies. The point of my article is not to fix the laws but to comment on the disgusting behaviour of the media in spreading their propaganda without checking facts while nobody, and I mean nobody holds them accountable for it.

Are there no deaths from liposuction in the hands of plastic surgeons? Do people not die all the time from plastic surgery? I’ll save you the trouble of checking. They do. It’s a risk. Just like getting in your car and being hit by an SUV. You could die. It’s a risk and every patient has this risk explained to them by law. The psychology of these people is one of risk aversion. As a group, they can overlook risk. That’s why the can go in and be put under, cut open, and stitched up just to have a slightly smaller waist line.

The main difference here is that the media loves to benefit from people’s deaths and this particular campaign seemed very planned. They don’t report other deaths but they sure seem to care a lot about this one in particular. CTV more than the rest. My question is why? I’m pretty sure they don’t care about the woman that died. The story is not that interesting really. But they kept on it like they had been waiting for the opportunity. It’s all very strange.

So I maintain that if a doctor is qualified to do a heart operation or cut a baby out of a woman’s gut, he is qualified to put in a set of double Ds. Either ban these ridiculous procedures all together or just admit that they are what they are and stop insulting the majority of doctors.

As for the plastic surgeons and Dr. Lista. I drove by his clinic the other day on the way to a meeting. He sure seems to be doing well for himself. No wonder he’s on TV trying to protect his money by spreading lies. He should be ashamed of himself as should the rest of them. All these doctors need to get back to work and help save people. Not feed the ridiculous pursuit of vanity and the lining of their own fat pockets. (pardon the pun)

And of course Dr Gore would release that statement, his lipo clinic is at risk if they change the rules! by the way he was fined by the college a few years ago writing illegal precriptions over the internet, you can view it on the cpso website, type in his name and look at past findings. this is not someone I would want pushing a liposuction canula inside of me. I dont know how anyone could so stupid to book a plastic surgery procedure with any of these non plastic surgeons.

If what you way is true, why isn’t the media going after the CPSO with as much gusto as this individual clinic? Why? Because it’s probably all a load of crap that’s why. Nobody was arrested. The clinic is not shut down. So this means that the coroner did not find any problems when he investigated the clinic after the incident or action would have been taken immediately.

I find it interesting that you know so much about them and the CPSO. I allowed this post because we have a policy of open discussion but you seem to have some very intricate knowledge about the clinic and the industry. Are you sure you’re not someone from the plastic surgery lobby?

And please don’t say things like “in the opinion of some people”. State your points and don’t use the same kinds of wording as the media. Who are these people specifically? Some people say you are a plastic surgeon and spreading your propaganda. Would you like something like that? State a source or point to a site but please don’t make general statements with no basis.